So tell me about, I believe he did write, there is one or two compositions by Sherman on the album.

Yeah, he wrote three total, including I'm So Lonely.

And both Sherman's songs and Wendell's songs actually We just dove through dozens of blank, not blank CDs, but scarcely labeled CDs at his house, just hoping I would find something.

And we found those on, we had Holmes Brothers demos.

They were not releasable demos, but that's kind of what we based our arrangements off.

And I was really hoping Sherman would just kind of like, once he knew we were making an album, start to write in for it.

But pretty soon it became clear that he just didn't quite feel that energy.

Okay.