I mean, there's obviously, there were a lot of, downs and downs and downs and then a few ups and so on but as those first six months you talked in your in your communication about you know taking a bit of a step backwards in terms of position maybe give us tell us about your first job in america

yeah so when i arrived here remember if you come here as a green card you don't have a company sponsoring you you don't have there's no soft landing you know there's no welcoming committee at los angeles at lax So when I arrived here, I decided to come six months ahead of time to find work before I brought my wife and my daughter across.

So I came here and I was an HR manager at Medicare and, you know, was on my upward trajectory of my career.

And I came here and I had no car.

So what I had to do, I very quickly realized that, you know what, I am not, anything special.

You know, we in South Africa, you know, our qualifications are very good.

Our work experience is very good.

Because even though you had a green card, you didn't have any credit score, credit record in America.