So how do you try and balance all of those different competing views?

So I, I think it's really important to try and, when you're looking at something like surrogacy, almost the first step is to try and figure out who is involved.

Um, so when you're dealing with assisted human reproduction, of course you have a resulting child, you have commissioning parents, um, and then you have, in a surrogacy arrangement, you also have a surrogate.

Um, and I've spent a lot of time trying to think about exactly what is going on in, in a gestational surrogacy arrangement in particular.

So gestational surrogacy is where the surrogate has no genetic relationship to the child.

So she is, she is o- the phrase is often used, carrying a child for somebody else, but we have this totally new kind of kinship and a new kind of relationship, a relationship between a child and a woman that is not genetic but is biological.

So the experience of having been gestated by someone but not genetically related to them.

And what about a big question like if someone was conceived using a sperm donor or an egg donor, does the child have the right to know the identity of that donor?