Why have the All Blacks been so successful at getting to the very spot that the block defense is kind of set up to prevent you getting to?

I think they've kept it very simple in terms of the plan, Ari.

They've said we need to survive in the scrums, which I think they've been doing.

We haven't been playing towards our game model, which is pressure scrum time, then a maul, then playing.

Because we keep phases within the red zone.

We don't overplay outside of that.

We rather go to a kick and start a defensive set within their 22.

They're fine with that.

Is that a feasible way nowadays to approach the Jerry Flannery, Jacques Nienaber defense?

In essence, no, and it's, it's not because it's wrong.

Because a lot of, a lot of teams against drift, uh, against pressure defense, line speed defense, the 10 will stand and deliver and just take the ball, give it to the pod.

The pod will then play out the back.

And even against Ireland, the All Blacks got a lot of reward go, doing exactly that.

Just standing in the middle, putting the ball into the next, next channel where the engagement line happens, go out the back.

Because Ireland was trying to cover the front door, and then go to the edge as well, which is, which you can't do.

We, we'd like that"?