right because it's very easy to be like you know keep going keep playing keep earning keep well obviously you know that's how we keep raising our whatever it might be you talked about getting the basics right and also some of the mistakes let's start with that let's start with some of the basics that you would say are critical to when you're kind of just starting the i want to i'm exploring fire you know i just heard this podcast i'm like okay well maybe i can stop working what What are the kinds of things I should start thinking about from the get-go?

No, absolutely.

And I always, I have a lot of parallels, again, being in tech and I was always focusing on like growth roles and like data roles.

So my brain is all functioning and like, what are the systems that we do to like help grow the number of users on Meta's different tools? So in the same way that you would approach like a growth problem, I approached my own like personal financial life.

So a lot of that starts from like a good data person knows like, hey, if you're trying to answer these questions, like what do you need? You need the data to start with.

So a lot of it comes from like, To start, have the logging in place.

And what does the logging mean in terms of your personal life? It's more around having information on your spend.

yeah i'm curious for you that was the biggest surprise for me it's like coming coming comfortable with spend and not opening the faucet to suddenly deplete the entire resources but figuring out the right trickle there i'm curious about both your experience with that and also other surprises you've learned during fire