Mm-hmm, mm-hmm

... um, to get outcomes for the children that were unheard of, um, to work with s- the parts of the systems in different ways where- We would look at their, you know, the organizational boundaries and the legislation, which means children social care do that bit, and education does that bit, and the police do that bit.

And I would say, "Well, let's remove some of these lines.

How do we integrate and how do we collaborate to get the best for the child?" Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I did that for nearly a decade, um, and this is really moving me on to my next part.

Yeah, yeah.

Worked in a youth offending team, which is now known as Youth Justice Services for nearly 10 years, and I look to the floor 'cause I'm re- [laughs] ... recounting the story.

So Andre, how, how can people get in touch with you if they specifically want to learn more about what you're doing with The Liminality Group?