Wow.

Um, I don't think he ever had any aspirations of flying commercially, and he's an incredibly ethical guy and upstanding person in terms of his own capabilities and his own beliefs.

And I'll share this.

If, he used to have the, um, the customer phoning me early in the morning when he knew I was driving to work, you know, "How," you know, "What's the day entail, and what, when, what's happening, and how are things?" And a similar call one morning, it was probably 15 years ago, a little bit more, called me, "How is the day?" blahdy blah.

And he says, "By the way, I've decided I'm no longer flying." I said, "Why?" He said, "I'm a, I'm a risk to myself and to m- m- my wife, my mom," obviously his wife, "and to the business, and if he wants to fly, he'll fly with me.

We can stick deals in," but he's decided.

He's no longer flying.

When did you start that?