And what are the, you know, when you were participating in this, like, could you kind of set the scene of what it's like? Because, you know, people may not understand, like, you know, was it, you know, what was a typical class session like for you? And yeah, sort of show us, take us there.

Yeah, thank you again for having me here today.

And I echo everything Mike was saying.

For me, prison is often defined by such a lack of opportunity, lack of opportunity to do things, to do something with your time, to make an impact.

And back in 2021, when The TREC program, before it was named, before it was a program, when faculty came in to tour our prison and to tell us about this program, it felt exciting from day one.

And so I think just the hope that things are finally changing.

In prison, I advocated for prison reform and appeals and fought all these systems forever, thinking that prison reform would come in the form of an earlier outdate or some better living conditions.

Andre, what do you think on that issue of technology first, but I'd also be curious on your thoughts on any of these things we've been talking about.