Thanks, Pip.

So ESG is both a helpful and unhelpful acronym, I think.

It stands for environmental, social and governance factors.

which is obviously an incredibly broad church of issues that all relate to the environment, to climate, to human well-being, but also to people management and corporate management.

Loads of different factors, which is why it's hard to sort of pin it into one specific practice area or one specific initiative.

I think on the sort of client work side, increased clarity has come to ESG through the introduction of lots of laws and regulations, which are much more specific on things like forced labor or modern slavery or climate change standards or emissions reporting or whatever.

There's loads and loads of them.

And how is your role sort of... moved into this area? Because you joined as a corporate lawyer, was it, on the corporate side?