Mm-hmm.

Starting there is one thing, and taking people with you.

It's easy for us to start living in just, like, these human-created corners, which I think cuts us off from a lot of deep healing and awe.

Another way to start doing something, right, is to think again, what, what has God asked us to do? How are we meant to view the world around us? I think for me, I've always cared about the environment, but I think there's so many systems handed down that I have had to look inward and say, "In some ways, I am part of the problem.

I am living in culture and systems that were handed to me that do cause destruction." And what does it look like to humbly, um, yeah, confess our sins, right? 'Cause again, I think there comes a point where we feel like we have power and we're doing so much good that we forget that just humbly coming before God, like He is the head of all creation, and saying, "Cleanse me of the things that I do that hurt the people around me." Like, starting with yourself, um, and then just more gently entering into the spaces.

I think we've talked about this multiple times, but again, just, like, honoring place.

Like, we are embodied people, and what does it mean to care for the place where you live? The places where we live should be impacted by us because we are present there.

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