... uh, but really, when it comes down to it.

So I think, you know, when we look at the optimism, it's really when we look back.

So it wasn't every day was like, you know, sunshine and rainbows.

You know, because she's a very critical thinker, and I'm a very critical thinker.

So, you know, things would go on in life and w- and one of the things she would say was, you know, "Don't complain about it.

Do something about it." So we are critical thinkers of what's happening, you know, so we weren't like, you know, Donna Reed, like, "Yay," you know, "Today is Monday." It wasn't that kind of an upbringing.

I mean, which I, I don't know that there is that and nor that we want that.

Yes.