would be better must yeah you must have been very aligned uh yeah as you said in your values and your vision uh to come together so successfully

Yeah, I totally agree.

I mean, mine was very, I very much never wanted to run a project because when I first started working in Namibia with Laurie Marker at Cheetah Conservation Fund, I remember thinking, God, it looks terrible.

It looks like such a nightmare to be doing all the admin.

And it's true.

It is a nightmare.

People listening, never run your own project.

Um, did you, yeah, I guess struggle at all with the, um, I know you said you had kids a little bit later on Amy, like after that kind of period, but, um, I guess that decision to have kids and then also, um, did you get any sort of, uh, pushback, I guess, from people offering opportunities, um, and maybe discounting you from those opportunities based on, um, yeah, your parental duties? Yeah.