Did you always have a gift for simplifying, or did you have to learn that yourself through some kind of event?

Yeah.

So I grew up in, with a, a split family home, so my parents were divorced when I was very young.

And my mom is incredibly organized.

She, everything has a place in her home.

Uh, you know, she's very, she's intentional about what she keeps in her home and what she lets go of, and my dad was the opposite.

So growing up, I got to experience firsthand what it felt like to be in each type of space, and I naturally found myself, whenever I was at my dad's house, you know, trying to tidy up the piles here or organize my room and the playroom.

... for, like, an empty nester, it'll fail.