So I wanna get into what is multiple sclerosis? What were your early signs that something was not right, and what are some of the symptoms that you get?

Sure.

MS is the short name for multiple sclerosis, and it is in a group of diseases that are called autoimmune diseases.

And so I would be surprised statistically if you're listening and you haven't heard of an autoimmune disease.

The numbers are rising, and there's a lot of fear around it because people are getting diagnosed earlier and earlier as well, so even kids showing up with these diseases.

And it's linked quite a bit to the, the modern world.

There's of course a piece that lives in our genes, but there's a good hunch that a lot of it has to do with our environment and our lifestyle.

Yeah

What happened? How did you make your, your experience a little less worse?

A little, I love that.

Yeah.

Thank you for, putting that back.

You know, you have to look at why do we care how we think and feel.

A, because it doesn't feel great not to feel great.

But the other thing is what do we do with it? What do we do when we're feeling fear and doom? And most likely it's things that lead to more fear and doom.

Help us to understand what were some of the habits that you changed in order to have, you know, less side effects and things aren't as bad as they might have, you might have worried they could be.

Like, what was that like for you, and, and can you walk us through that a little bit?

I mean, I was crushed.

I was really crushed.

I...

You know, I, I knew a lot about the, what was happening in my body, right? I could, could really understand the implications.

And so what I did was I decided, well, I am going to eat perfect, and I have quotes going up over perfect, but I'm going to not let inflammatory foods pass these lips, and I'm going to exercise, you know, compulsively now when I look back at it.

And I really just hyper-focused on the outer habits, on what I was doing, not doing, but it was being driven out of fear.

So how do you see that being bridged?

Mm-hmm.

And they're worried again about this massive, um, overhaul, maybe this identity of, do I have to do it forever, a belief.

So if we go to, back to, like, what does this really look like, what do you mean, you know, shift a, a mental habit, a belief seed is way, is what I call it, because it, that's what it is.

We, like, plant this little idea, and then we nurture it and we, we grow it to a, to a beautiful, strong plant that, that becomes your belief.

A belief seed that's really useful for almost every single person that I've ever worked with, and maybe your listeners as well, is called trust in the tiny.

And it's different than BJ Fogg's Tiny Habits or James Clear Two-Minute Rule, because it pulls in the mindset piece.

Yeah.

So the, the quiz is science-backed, so it pulls in, again, w- all this research about what, where would your best place be to start, and it will land you in one of six areas.

have to really

totally look for that one.

Yeah, totally.

So the tracker that I use and share with my clients, it is designed for, you know, to overcome all these reasons.

And there's a section on that tracker that actually is called quit on purpose and what that means is if we have done step one and we've set a goal and somewhere along the line we've decided you know what I don't want to go after that goal anymore we don't just let it like float away and erode that self-trust with ourself we actively move it to a section called I quit this on purpose right to show our brain oh she yeah I closed that out and I did that with intention I love that.

What's number three? I have no idea.

The anticipation.

So I just wanted to ask, are there people who genuinely struggle more with goals and I sense that some of your strategies just kind of bypass that because it's not a head-on collision anymore from how you've described some of the strategies.

Have you found that yourself?

Absolutely.

I mean, in my pharmacist life, how many presentations have I given, right? We create PowerPoint slides for what are facts, right? Like what seems to be the whole truth.

So if you were to take an autoimmune diagnosis, likely I would be sharing that it's chronic, progressive, can be disabling, you know, these big scary words that aren't the entire picture.

It can be a fact that these things are happening, but if our minds are not managed or we're not aware that that's the only path we're letting our brain go towards is that future, then it can really start to drive how we're feeling all day long.

And so one of the first realizations I had when I started working with people was I saw a definition of health and it said the absence of symptoms or disease.

I mean, that's what you can find in a textbook.

That's your that's your own trademark thing, isn't it?

Resources.

Anything that I can do to take things that we know and make them tangible in real life is my aim.

Because like you said...

We're all living lives.

And I do have a good bit of retired clients and I love it.

They do really dig into the time, but the people that are raising families and working, we need things that are tangible in real life.

And so one of the ways around this that I created is it's called the ABC Habit Playbook, but essentially it's built on the idea that the information, the strategies that we've all heard a million times that are on the pages of Atomic Habits that we all have and have read, but haven't yet implemented.

that.

But, like, why is that hard, and is there anything that makes it easier, and what do you think about consistency when you are dealing in a dynamic, you know, body like this?

I just recorded a podcast episode and I opened with saying that I have a crush on consistency, because I do.

Um, back to definitions that don't serve us, you know, if we are thinking of consistency in a certain way that is keeping us from being consistent, then ditch it.

We need to redefine the word in a way that works for us, no matter what our energy level is, no matter if we're on vacation or not, and we need to make it work for us.

'Cause consistency, you know, there's so many analogies as to the power of consistency.

The one that sticks the most in my brain is that a drop of water hitting a rock over time will split the rock, but if you throw a pail of water or a hose at it, it just runs right off.

So I mean, slow consistency sometimes is the only thing that will move mountains or cut through rock.

... frameworks within the framework, but tell us more about this Habit Hub and how, why would someone wanna use it and like how would they use it?