Mm-hmm

... like breaking into the industry again.

Even though I am with Big Five publishers for my, you know, um, nonfiction work and, and I'm well-known in that space, nobody knew me in fiction, and nobody cared that I had a track record in another genre, which was really interesting.

Um, so I basically had to start over, and I think, like, the way that I did it was persistence.

I got a lot of nos.

I got dozens and dozens and dozens of rejections.

Um, I got, I got notes that my character was too voice-y.

But what is your biggest piece of advice for young writers or anybody that wants to write their own stories, whether it be fiction or nonfiction?