And I would love for you to just share more about at what point does stress become trauma in the body? And is it truly a continuum, even if it's a phase shift step up in intensity? Or do you see them as being dramatically different? And if they are different or if it is a dramatic phase shift, what are some of the most important biological signatures of that?

Let's start with seeing how they're similar.

They are both survival responses.

And stress can also be a non-survival response in terms of it's just an activation, an upregulation of energy.

When we have an obstacle, when we have a challenge, when we have a project that we want to get done, that is our stress response showing up to give us the energy to get it done.

But going back to just a sense of danger or a sense of threat, then both are survival states.

And so it is a progression of the degree of danger that we perceive.

It is a

What tools do I, or does it send you down a path to try to create something new?

Truly at first, it really was me just trying to get my health back.

And at first it was, how do I get back into my residency training program? I was in third year surgery training.

And how do I get back? Because that's my livelihood.

If I can't work, what do I have? There never was any intention at that time for, well, let me learn this to help other people as well.

Let me leave surgery and go into trauma in the body.

There was no such thought.

Like, what can one do if suddenly you find yourself in that response?