Yeah

... at all.

And, um, and something about that, like the kind of that limitation in how they showed up in their clothing was so, it, it has like really stayed with me because my mom was always like, "Well, you know, like if you're gonna get a coat, you have to get the nicest coat that you can have." She did not...

My mom, she had like one nice coat.

Like that was it.

She like bought this like, a big fur coat when we moved to Europe that is, it was like her most prized possession.

But I remember how long they had to save for it.

[laughs]

Mm.

"This is, it is so not working." If you're just, like, a regular, like, not addicted to social media person who is just trying to get through the workday, of course you're upset that they're making you do all this, like, signaling that you're not interested in doing at your, the place that you come to conduct capitalism to, like, pay your bills.

Like, who cares about this stuff? And so it's, like, a very intense feeling.

Mm.

That's, like, a professional courtesy.

People mispronounce my name all the time.

It's fine to do that.

So if somebody is like, "Please call me by these pronouns," and they're asking you that, like, earnestly, I was like, it doesn't cost me anything to do that for someone.

Lose their minds.

And they pledge allegiance to China.

I was like, "This actually has done more for our relationship with China than anything." It's like a whole class of American children will learn Chinese through this, so that's cool with me.

But yeah, there's just something about how, like, extra earnest and hil- like, I read all the comments on TikTok.

I cannot say that for any other app.

Like, I don't, I do not participate in comment culture.

Like, do you think TikTok is net positive or net negative?

It is net positive in my life.

I, I think that, that counter-cultural piece is what I'm really interested in.

Yeah.

I mean, I did not really grow up i- in a world where the model of success looks like me.

I was, like, a f- fat Black girl from West Africa.

And I'm not saying that in, like, a d- [laughs] self-deprecating way.

I'm like, those are, like, kind of the, the facts of my life.

But I think that something about, like, not being a contender ended up, like, really working well for me because, like the rest of the people who look like me, I grew up in, like, very predominantly, like, um, white environments.

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