So what kind of conversations are you striking up with the

animals on the farm? Well, it's been really interesting because it's part of this process of becoming a better listener.

Now I've got horses and I wait for a yes.

Like if we're going to go out for a ride, I'll ask them.

Oh, is that your horse? Yeah.

So I won't just... you know, throw the tack on and off I go.

I'll ask them, you know, do you want to go out today? And people sort of think that if you ask a question that they might sometimes say no to, you'll never get a yes.

Please break that down.

What did you learn about them?

So I went to visit a giant Pacific octopus whose name was Sedna.

You know, we are hundreds of millions of years apart in terms of evolutionary history from an octopus.

The last time we inhabited the same body was a flatworm.

So that's a very long time ago.

So I thought, you know, can we communicate or listen to an animal that... has nothing in common with us at all.

And an octopus rescuer had told me, yes, you can.

But what do we lose and what do we gain?

And he says, yes, but you have to remember we are animals.

Yes.

Yeah.

You know, there are a few reasons, I think, that...

I will say, I think that that's changing in science a little bit.

I talked to a really, really cool professor at the University of St. Andrews called Kat Hobater.

And she spends half her year in various forests in Uganda, I think, and somewhere else.

Yeah.