Yeah.

But I don't think every sleepless person needs to fix it with magnesium.

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What are your thoughts on a gadget like that?

... us, for a lot of people might not know what sleep apnea is.

So for most people who have sleep apnea, there are some fancier types, but it's usually called obstructive sleep apnea.

Overnight when we're lying particularly on our backs, our airways can collapse.

Sounds a bit alarming, but it doesn't need to be.

So there's pauses in breathing, or they're called apneas, or there's instead of a pause in breathing, like a long slow exhalation.

That's called a hypopnea.

Over time, if we're not breathing, we're not taking in oxygen, we desaturate, so the oxygen levels in our blood go increasingly lower.

Off it, yes.

Great

idea.

And you're right.

Any sleep guideline anywhere in the world will say some variant of CBTI is recommended as first-line care for insomnia.

Yeah.

CBTI should be tried, it's the gold standard, et cetera, et cetera.

CBTI is a collection of tools that we use to address some of those things that are fueling the insomnia fire.

Can you tell me about the optimization dilemma?

I want to understand how that what that is and how it affects the body.

Hyper-arousal is the, I guess the term that sleep medicine use for chronic activation of the body's stress response.

So the fight or flight response that most people seem to know about these days, but I can explain if you think, I think most people know what that is.

It's essentially when our nervous system starts to prepare us for threat.

And we know that the...

Conditions of modern living usually see us feeling stressed out a lot of the time about things that aren't usually life or death.

Hyperarousal is just that consistent state of chronic nervous system activation.

Sleep and pain are very similar,