I really think it sounds fun.

No, it's actually a very important part of my life.

I've been kind of developing this philosophy around randomness for at least a decade at this point.

I have this belief that a lot of decisions that we make in life are based on all of the decisions and the experiences that we've had leading up to it.

A lot of people will call this determinism.

And there are a lot of questions around, you know, what does this mean about free will? And I think those are very important questions to answer if your goal in life is to do something maybe bigger than what seems fated.

And for me, this has been a philosophical question always.

What is your goal? Do you have an end goal in your life or a stated purpose, mission or objective? Or one currently, if nothing else?

It, it was really post-COVID then.

Yeah.

You know, I started going to events before that, but I, yeah, I think speaking at the event, definitely post-COVID that, that we met.

But we've just spent a lot of time together, so I think it feels, it feels like longer.

But, um, yeah, I mean, you know, I started my entrepreneurial journey about 10 years ago working on a company while I was still in college.

And, uh, this was completely different industry, completely different type of company, and I was working on essentially a user testing company.

So we were working with larger companies that targeted college students with apps and products, and we would conduct user research with students.

It ju- it just isn't.