But do you have any advice for families to actually thrive this summer, and not just count down the days until- September and school comes back again [laughs] and the routine returns

[laughs] Absolutely.

Well, I think firstly it's looking at thriving instead of just trying to survive.

So summer holidays, they can feel like kinda this six weeks grand performance for parents that they quite frankly didn't actually audition for.

[laughs] But thriving, um, doesn't come from doing more, it comes from doing what matters.

So when I talk to families, I talk about lowering the bar.

It does not need to be this gorgeous Pinterest summer.

So what would you say to parents who are a little bit worried about letting their kids, like, outdoors this summer by themselves?