... a lot of jamming? Um, are like the, are the songs very set in structure, or are you kind of allowing space for jams and-

Um, so I mean, it, for, uh, so I think a few songs are, like, just for, just for the jam and stuff like that, just because it, you know.

I mean, I, I, I like having, I like having songs that are just, you know, set and that's it, and we've, like I said, I think we've got, we've got, like, the majority of songs are like that.

But I think it's, we need, like, some jam stuff just so that we can, you know, space it out time-wise and stuff like that.

And it's also fun.

It's also, like, kind of relaxing.

You get, 'cause we get to chill.

And so, uh, the vocal thing as well, like, how, have you always sung when playing? Is that, is that something you had to kind of learn and develop, or is that something you've always done?

... to do your own thing and actually make a living doing it.

Yeah.

And being able to, like, have a, have a plat- or having, like, apps like Instagram and, like, TikTok and Facebook, like that, that, that helps, it helps to keep it alive.

I mean, if, if I can't, if that didn't, I mean, if that stuff didn't come out, it would be, I mean, who knows what would happen.

But I'm, I'm glad it did, 'cause I, I rem- I made my, uh, guitar account in 2023 specifically because I knew, like the market now is like you gotta-If you wanna, you know, try to make this your living, you gotta have, uh, some sort of online presence.

It's not, it's not, it's, it's not as much word of mouth, you know what I mean, nowadays.

But yeah, like a lotta, a lot of like, like the newer music that comes out, like, like I'm talking like hip hop and like rap and stuff like that, like it's not, it's just...

Okay.