We're just caught up with the emotion of it all.

I had a friend in law school who was Muslim, is Muslim.

And after 9-11, years later, she started this group called Millions of Conversations.

And it analyzed what the hate industrial complex has been doing in America since 9-11 and what they started with Islamophobia and basically giving everyone a common enemy.

It's a lot of money in that.

And they just turned the same machine onto the left liberals, right, libtards, whatever you want to call them.

And it's just a playbook.

So

Like, like, am I wrong? Like, that sort of feels like what they're doing.

Well, I think in fairness, because I want to try to be fair, even though I think Michael makes some really good points.

But in fairness, there is a gap here in the law in the sense that like how financial services companies are required or regulated to act isn't necessarily always like a black and white rule, right? And whereas traditional financial services has...

a safe harbor for filing suspicious activity reports.

Crypto arguably doesn't have the same thing.

There is a gap.

Having said that, though, they are a registered money service business that are supposed to have a AML CFT program here in the United States.

So, like, what do you make of that dichotomy?

So do you not see a scenario, and we can explore this further, obviously, in which these two things can be true simultaneously?

I do.

I will tell you my fear is that we've or I have been wrong and that what what we're starting to see is that actually what crypto is really doing is showing the world that we were actually always really OK with money laundering and terrorist financing until there was a terrorist incident.

And the reason I say that is because I look at one of the things about President Trump that I think sometimes he's treated quite unfairly for is that there are very few things that he actually invents or does that are new.

What he's actually really good at is looking at something, corruption, hypocrisy, or just illegality that others have done and saying, if you're willing to do that at five miles an hour, why aren't you willing to do it at 50? And so when you look at what he's doing, it's not like he invented the overreach of the executive order.

There were plenty of presidents who did that, right? If you look at what he's doing with selling presidential favors for Trump coin, et cetera, there were presidents that sold access in their own way.

So the system was already broken.

Give us a little bit of a rundown of how that thing came across, the opportunity to write it and how you tackled it.