Tell us what the conversations that were had around the table that you can around advocacy in that space.

Yeah, well, it's a really interesting time in Australian policy right now.

It's a very interesting time around the world.

And we see the impact on... political changes, leadership of our nation.

We see what that means for overseas countries, and it is exactly the same here.

The power of democracy is that we actually get to be a part of being a part of that voice.

And sometimes we can feel like, does our vote actually matter? What does that mean? And it really does matter.

What was their response to and thoughts on the church's involvement in all of this?

But

anyway, there's a top five things that they would say I'm really good at.

Optimism is one of my strengths, right? So I'll naturally come out of something and I am pretty resilient, but I found myself just really withdrawing from friendships.

Yeah.

um and just really questioning why like why i would live with purpose you know which was just not me naturally at all and so we really had to come at it from a holistic approach and um at the moment there's a lot of research in bali i was actually away with a group of clinical psychologists and there's a lot of research at the moment around burnout and it definitely is are high performing.

It's the wrong word, but it's really trending quite high right now.

I think that we're on the back of a really significant season of change in the world and being able to find ways to really work on that sense of compassion fatigue and trying to find right sizing the approach to our life Obviously, you guys talk about it all the time.

For those of us in life who may have a relationship with God or may not have a relationship with God, how do we make that work for ourselves?