And so what was that with Alice this time? Because she's a little bit, she starts off a little bit of a different character for you, I think.

Yeah.

Well, she had been raised in a very cloistered, sheltered environment.

Um, and she's become a teacher in that environment, so she's never really been out in the world as, in the sense of having to pay her own rent and fi- [laughs] you know, find a, find a job and get along with strangers and worry about walking down the streets at night, you know, that kind of thing.

Um, 'cause she's had this cloistered life since she was born.

And she's a bit, so she is a bit naive in term, and that's how she gets into trouble at the opening of the book.

She is on the run because she has broke herself out, broken herself out, [laughs] escaped from an, an, an asylum for the criminally insane.

[laughs]

Yeah.

And that's what I don't write.

I'm not doing supernatural.

I'm doing kind of classic paranormal, I guess you would say, because I lean on the psychic side.

The psychic side of things.

So if you're looking for vampires and witches, that's not me.

I'm not doing those.

Something that you mentioned there which I wanted to ask you about was the core story.

Yeah.

And I happen to love that no matter which world I'm working in.

I think maybe I should specify the three definitions that I use for Gothic.

What feels Gothic to me is, first of all, a sense of isolation.

You know, these days we call it forced proximity.

But in the old days it meant alone in the house, the big house on the cliff kind of thing.

The other element is trust.

And that's like your real name, right? Like you got relegated to like not even being your real name.

Jane, tell us about Enter the Nightmare.

Enter the Nightmare.

Well, this is, I think, number 19.

Oh, God.

In a series that should never have survived, theoretically.

And the only reason it has survived and keeps flourishing is because of the dust bunnies.

And all I can say is that if you put an animal into a book, be prepared to keep putting animals into the books because that's all the readers are going to want afterward.

Jane, speaking of worlds, where did Harmony come from?

Yeah, where was the flip? Where did it flip for you?

So the flip, so he pled guilty January of 2017.

I was like, okay, we're going to go back to normal, whatever our new normal is.

His mental health was horrid.

Being exposed has a really big impact to people who have personality disorders and all of the other things going on.

I eventually saw that there was no way in hell he was actually going to be going back to work.

And so I started to wrap my head around the idea that I needed to do that.

Will you talk about what happened? Sure.

Jude Devereaux special.

And Christina Dodd is writing an interesting series right now, which is very modern in its tone.

But it features the daughter of Romeo and Juliet.

Oh, nice.

Turns out they did not die in the vault.

And living happily with seven or eight kids, the oldest of which is Rosie.

And Rosie is now being forced to marry the Prince of Verona.

Um,