of people whose job it is to tell their firm stories, right? So I'm wondering your experience with SMPS, like what, and, and being present, like did that role teach you anything that you use in your, in your, in your role today?

For sure.

I, I, It's crazy to think how long ago it was because it's been, yeah, over 12 years, I guess 13 years now.

But it's weird to say that's not right that it's been that long.

But no, I will tell you this, Carl.

So when I became president of SMPS St. Louis, I was young in my career.

I was.

So I'm wondering if you could speak just a little bit about kind of your experience in being involved, like in community events and things that you've done, like how that has actually worked maybe in feeding work back to you and to what you bring back to H&S.