Will that actually matter in the divorce?

Well, okay, first of all, I'm really sorry that happened.

I know that's absolutely incredibly painful.

Probably there's a degree of comfort knowing that you do have some actual proof, so you're not going crazy thinking about this.

So the first thing I would say before we even start talking about what would matter legally in terms of divorce is know that there are a lot of resources available to you.

There are wonderful therapists out there that can help you grieve and get through this time.

And there are divorce coaches who can help you kind of keep this information you know, in the right space so that you're grounded throughout the process.

Will that matter in mediation?

Will that actually matter in the divorce?

Well, okay, first of all, I'm really sorry that happened.

I know that's absolutely incredibly painful.

Probably there's a degree of comfort knowing that you do have some actual proof, so you're not going crazy thinking about this.

So the first thing I would say before we even start talking about what would matter legally in terms of divorce is know that there are a lot of resources available to you.

There are wonderful therapists out there that can help you grieve and get through this time.

And there are divorce coaches who can help you kind of keep this information you know, in the right space so that you're grounded throughout the process.

Will that matter in mediation?

So I suppose for listeners who don't know anything about Spies, Lies and Deceptions, which is in Manchester, could you give us an overview of the exhibition and what visitors can expect when they kind of walk through the door?

Well, I think when visitors come through the door, the first thing you see is quite a dramatic opening.

So you come into sort of a quite dark space, and you're sort of greeted with some spy gadgets, and I think we wanted to give people sort of maybe what they're expecting.

So you see in this dark, sort of s- moody space, and then you see some of these amazing things, the hidden batteries with hidden compartments, secret radios, uh, a pen nib infiltrated with, uh, invisible ink.

So it's sort of what people are expecting.

Um, but then what we want to do here is introduce the, the, the exhibition and the subject is not just about the gadgets.

The story has so many more layers to it, and it's really about...

How important was it for you to foreground the sort of personal cost of deception?