So I think it's everything from how we move into that relationship with honesty and humility, and also how we are trying to be accountable with what the outcome of that research is.

And I think it really is.

I mean, I think Beth's point about acknowledging tension is important.

I think it's also recognizing when you say that the tension between academic knowledge and community knowledge.

I think one of the things that many of us who do this work operating is it is not a sense that those things are in opposition, but that, in fact, the knowledge that is in community is critical for the work we're trying, you know, that really is a collaboration.

So I'll just give you one quick example.

We've been doing a set of ongoing projects with the Illinois Office to Prevent and End Homelessness, and that has involved convening racial equity roundtables of community organizations to inform the process from start to finish.

And what would you offer Amanda in terms of how you're approaching this question around intersectionality?

So, so had a, had a vision of your future, let's say, and when you were in second grade, you go to school, make that vision come to fruition, but, but not all dentists are entrepreneurs, right? So where along that journey did you decide that that was the path for you?

I knew I wanted to do that just because of my dad's ownership of his pharmacy practices.

And I just was like, you know, he had these little stores and but work for himself.

I knew what that took, though.

He would sometimes come home quite late at night.

He would sit at his desk and do book work.

You know, it's the things that it takes to run a business.

So did you end up just exiting your practices completely then?