So in your role, in your background, what sparked an interest to specifically learn more and understand more about how appreciation and recognition interventions in healthcare help with physician well-being?

I think there were a few things that really always interested me in this topic specifically.

It's something even in fellowship, my fellowship director could tell you I've always cared about this topic, but it starts...

in a few different ways.

One, when I was at Penn, there was this amazing innovation, Penn High Five, that really started me interested in this topic.

I think I talked about it probably in the presentation, because I don't think I can do this presentation without talking about it.

But one of my colleagues who was a senior resident when I was an intern, Kat Lee and her team, created this really simple system where you could honor people for what they had done that day.

So in your own experience, sort of day to day and knowing what you know, how important do you think it is that practice and healthcare organizations and their leaders are really consider recognition and appreciation as part of their overall physician wellbeing strategy?