Yes.

I think most of my roommates have been pretty, you know, like, average, like me.

Like, we're not, we don't do anything standout.

We're pretty reasonable.

I would say my, I think my freshman year of college, I had a suite mate, though.

I was, it's this one story.

He kind of skews people out because I'm very clean in the kitchen.

petty.

Please.

Uh, so when I first joined, um, the beauty industry, I worked at Clinique.

Uh, and the then president of Clinique, Lynn Green, handed me a book called Blue Ocean Strategy.

She and this book changed my life.

Uh, and the, and the book is about the idea of finding the blue ocean, that the red ocean is, I guess, I suppose bloody is why [laughs] they call it the red ocean, and it's full of everybody fighting for the same scraps.

And she was a big believer in the power of going to the blue ocean.

And that sat with me.

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