But tell us initially where the idea came from.

Sure.

Well, it started from a couple of sources, I think, but one of them was I attended a retreat for people living with breast cancer, which was wonderful.

And two things really stood out to me.

It was a retreat where people who had early stage breast cancer and were now considering themselves survivors and people with stage four metastatic breast cancer.

We were all there together and And I noticed that for the early stage survivors, those of us with stage four cancer were sort of their worst nightmare come true before them.

And so it was a little bit isolating for the people with stage four cancer.

Tell us again why these retreats are so important.