
Alyssa Quart
Executive Director of the Economic Hardship Reporting Project; nonfiction writer, journalist, and author of "Squeezed" and "Bootstrapped"
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Jun 12, 2026
The Perils of the American Dream: A Discussion with Alissa Quart of the Economic Hardship Reporting Project
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Matthew RothHOST
Which brings up the question, is this bootstrapped mentality just a pathology of the rich who are justifying their own privilege? Or is it something that's been internalized, you know, up and down the class structure by poor people themselves who don't feel that they deserve any kind of handout?

Alyssa QuartGUEST
The just world is a theory by Melvin Lerner, and it rests on the idea that humans need to see the world as fair, just, and predictable, and that it's so psychologically important to us that it's easier to watch, in the instance of the experiments Lerner did, a woman being punished with almost no pretext than to believe her treatment is random.

Alyssa QuartGUEST
So to keep ourselves sane, we're We twist the truth to make our own existence is more bearable.

Alyssa QuartGUEST
The millionaire heiress has a Tesla or makes bank as an influencer because she is a person of merit.
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Matthew RothHOST
And I'm wondering if you could describe both of these things and how they intersect, but how they're also different from one another.