And I think it's something that you've been telling me about the work that you're doing and the way that you guys are positioning science as playing with similar

ideas.

Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, too.

I mean, I just, I'm thinking, too, because we've had some historical really rich historical conversations today about, you know, in some of the sort of history of science communication, you know, it's somewhat recent in that history for scientists to have a cultural and political context that would make them so very guarded.

And part of it has to do, to some extent, and this predates social media and virality of information and counter information and so on.

But I think also, in a way, there's a fraught relationship between modern science journalism and scientific knowledge production, because the risk of having your paper in Nature make a headline and then turn out to need a correction or to be wrong.

So I'm thinking about that.

yeah so how that questions evolved like what you maybe thought the answer was four years ago and now how you're thinking about it today

And I think it's something that you've been telling me about the work that you're doing and the way that you guys are positioning science as playing with similar

ideas.

Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, too.

I mean, I just, I'm thinking, too, because we've had some historical, really rich historical conversations today about, you know, and some of the sort of history of science communication.

You know, it's somewhat recent in that history for scientists to have a cultural and political context that would make them so very guarded.

And part of it has to do, to some extent, and this predates social media and virality of information and counter information and so on.

But I think also, in a way, there's a fraught relationship between modern science journalism and scientific knowledge production because the risk of like having your paper in nature make a headline and then turn out to need a correction, right? Or to be wrong.

well

Yeah

... one of our clips.

So this is just a array of kind of some of our, our main projects, and it's the quad on the right that, that actually the three, Archival Ecologies, Carried by Water, and Mining for the Climate, that are our audio documentary series.

Carried by Water and Mining for the Climate have had two, uh, seasons come out, um, in different locations.

I can say a bit more about that.

Archival Ecologies is in post-production for the second season.

That lower right image is from a wonderful recent PhD and English grad from Princeton who's about to start a postdoc at Harvard in the environmental studies.

... four years ago and now how you're thinking about it today.