One of the most basic things I think people need some clarity on is from a clinical perspective especially, like, how do you know if you're actually dealing with a narcissist versus just someone who's being a nightmare [laughs] during divorce?

That is kind of the thing that a lot of people wanna suss out, right? Um, because obviously a divorce, it brings up a lot of emotions.

It's a-- any sort of litigation that you're going through, much less a breakup with litigation is, is incredibly, highly emotional, um, very stressful, and, and just a very hard thing.

And kinda like you were saying, narcissism has become sort of this buzzword in the last few years.

It's become a lot more part of, uh, sort of our verbal zeitgeist here.

And, um, I think there's a couple things to think about.

You know, like not only just the high-stress element of a divorce, right, and depending on the reasons for divorce, all of those things do go into context.

Mm-hmm.