You're gonna even hear testimony about how he, according to my witness, contributed to someone dying, uh, got someone killed because of his prophecy.

All he could do was talk about the prophecy he got from, from Chris Reed.

I watched him waste away and die holding onto that prophetic word.

These people, these people kill people.

One of the things I wanna point out that Allen did is Allen went to leaders years ago trying to get Chris Reed pulled down, and it didn't work because nobody would help him because coverup culture is systemic in the movement, I'm sorry to say.

I met Chris Reed in the summer of, uh, twenty-twenty at a conference in Oklahoma City, and it blew me away.

I had never seen anything like it.

I was phasing out of my pastoral ministry.