you know, to build momentum for this initiative among government, civil society, international organizations? Well,

first of all, let me acknowledge that establishing a new international institution ain't easy.

It's a major, major challenge, especially in today's world with the fractiousness and the divisions and the troubles we've had with the big powers trying to read on anything.

It's a very difficult context in which to undertake such an ambitious project.

But at the same time, let me express optimism determination to proceed with this project, and optimism about the outcome.

And let me explain why.

I look around the world as I undertake my advocacy for the new International Anti-Corruption Court, and I see encouraging signs everywhere.

And so, When you think about the UN, and in particular when you think about the next Secretary General, do you think that there is a scope to open up a conversation about possibly revisiting the Charter and, you know, rethinking whether it remains an adequate instrument or whether perhaps we could... we could amend it, we could think in terms of modernizing our global governance architecture with the UN Charter very much at the center of that.

What does the kind of reaction you're seeing today to his passing tell you about who he was and his contributions to this country?

I think it's a measure of the man and how highly he was esteemed.

He had a voice of exceptional moral clarity and was truly an inspiration for me and for many, many others.

We were from different parties, but that didn't matter.

We shared, I think.

I admired so much his commitment to social justice.

He had the imagination to think about how the world could be improved, and then he had the courage and the commitment to set about doing it.

What does that tell you? How does that leave you feeling tonight?