Like, what is the messaging? How, what's a role model or a way to kind of operate, hold, hold yourself accountable, educate, as well as kind of tackle these complex topics when you have someone saying, "You should never ride a horse," or, "Horses should be free to roam," or, "Horses should only do this thing"? Like, how do you navigate that in, in your work?

Well, I think it's a complicated topic because, of course, you have some people you will never be able to convince them.

You have some people that have very strong belief, and we also have to respect their beliefs.

But horses have been by the side of humans for centuries, so it's not tomorrow if you release them in the nature.

They have been bred for centuries and centuries by humans, and now if you release them, they are gonna die.

They are not made for this anymore, so that's not the point.

The point is how to make the relationship healthy, but that doesn't mean that it has to be perfect every day.

Do you think that there is that kind of one horse for everyone? Do you think you'll have that feeling with another horse? Have you had that feeling with another horse?