Yeah.

And it was based on what we learned and what we kind of knew through our own work anyway, that the barriers to reporting are, number one, right at the top, is that more than 70% of people who've been harmed can't necessarily name themselves.

They know something bad happened, but they certainly don't know where it falls.

We're not all lawyers.

They don't know where it falls in the legal space.

And then there is all the stuff you'd expect, shame and self-blame, completely unwarranted, of course.

Fear of not being believed is a huge one.

you want Tika to achieve or to change in Aotearoa?

How was that whole process for you? I mean, that's such a lot to

– I – the writing of it was therapy.

That was my therapy.

That was the hard bit.

And I left all the really hard bits to last.

And I actually found the descriptions of the abuse itself – and this is important because a lot of survivors – and I'm one of them, are cautious about approaching books like this because you're terrified of what they're going to contain.

But the one thing I tried to do with all my journalistic reporting was not go into the gory details of the abuse because it's not necessary.

Where are we at? How are we going? How are we going?

yola is how i came across tika in the first place because she shared it on her story so can uh ali can you please break it down what is tika

Okay, TICA is what is known as an alternative reporting option for people who've experienced sexual harm of any kind.

That's online harm, childhood abuse, assault or harassment in the workplace or in other community areas.

And so at the moment, people generally report along to police or the Human Rights Commission if it's harassment or various other pathways.

But only a very, very few people do that, like only around 10% of sexual harm is ever reported to any official pathway.

And we know that that's because people experience things like shame and self-blame, unwarranted, of course, fear of not being believed.

That's a huge one.

And just know that there's a team here at Tika that can support you and guide you, especially for our wahine and te katapuika whānau as well.

Now, it seems to me that the value of what you're doing here is that your service connects dots, as in connects people who may have had offending from the same person when those connections may otherwise never have been made.

That is exactly right.

So we have built a completely secure enterprise-grade platform that has a customer journey that you onboard, you get immediate lawyer-client privilege at registration.

So At the very first thing you do on our platform, you are protected by lawyer-client privilege for all the rest of the information flow that you give us.

You tell us a little bit about yourself, about what happened to you, and importantly, as much as you know about the perpetrator.

And then when you press submit, the report goes into our large language model, which is completely sealed and does not reach out to ChatGPT or any other you know, generative AI.

I just want to make that point.

okay so the thing that's going to hold back people potentially is a fear of hacking right and that their incredibly personal story

Yeah

... or earlier.

Um, so you probably haven't realized this as you've gone along, but what you've done unknowingly at first, I guess, is carved a little niche for yourself in the wider media that a lot of people would do very well to emulate.

You know, that con- that human connection that is always at the heart of your work, uh, is something to be emulated because it's proved its own success, right? Um, finish off your thoughts about the tour, though.

Yeah.

Friends.

This is an important thread for you, 'cause I know a lot of your friends, not all of them.

Uh, I know what kind of people they are.