Could you describe for us the work that you and your colleagues have been doing with Veronica?

So this was a completely accidental story.

Veronica is a brown cattle cow, a Corinthian mountain cow.

And last year, I published a book about animal innovation in German.

And I got lots of feedback from people telling me about their innovative pets.

And those range from cats that were using a box as a tool to sleep in through people observing crows that were putting nuts on the street for the cars to drive over, which is an actual innovation.

But I got a phone video from somebody.

Right, right, right.

I asked Alice how she first learned about Veronica's penchant for tool use.

Yeah, well, I'm interested in animal innovation, so how animals come up with completely new behaviours inventively.

And I wrote a book about this.

And after I've written this book, I got lots of emails from people sending me examples of their animals using tools.

And there was quite a range.

So there were people that told me that their cat was using the Amazon box as a house and people that the dog is using the stick to brush his teeth.

And then I got this one video which was a little more than interesting because...

What do you take away from this, Alice?