As a leader, can you tell us a bit more about how you do that? Um, have you seen certain people in your team succeed at it, excel at it? Um, and how do you bring new people in? What, what's really been the thing that's come through and impacted you most?

You know, you raise a really good point.

So I, I was new to this organization.

So again, I'm, I'm not, I'm not new to Roche, but I'm new to Roche Australia.

So I didn't have any emotional baggage, and I came in not having to necessarily undo the things I'd created, but come in with brand new fresh eyes and speak to the people and give the people a voice.

So I think being a, being a newcomer is slightly easier to start transforming than something you've created because of course then you have biases and things.

So speaking to the organization and getting the organization to, to tell me why we should change.

And, and I think as you look at that then, how do we bring the whole human to the center? And to do that, how do we make it as safe as we possibly can? And that's kind of what you're exploring there, isn't it? And as you went, how did, did, did you keep a, either a conscious or a kind of subconscious eye on that, the safety of the team and their ability to speak up and how they could work with you?