Mm

... and the, the priority went from kind of developing munitions to that figuring out how to feed these people.

And, you know, scientists, it was an era called the Green Revolution, and scientists developed crops like rice, wheat, corn, I think, were the main ones, that were these high-yielding varieties.

So they'd gone from...

They'd kind of supercharged what a single rice plant can produce.

And, you know, that had amazing outcomes in terms of nutrition and survival.

I think our population something like doubled.

Yeah

I

feel very seen.

Thank you so much.

I wish I could drop you into my nervous system through 2025.

So basically, the research.

side was my domain Adriana was on the art side and really you know we definitely discussed and collaborated in terms of our final selections but it's so funny that you asked that because it's a very valid question but I was in such a fugue state that I'm like how did I find all of those vegetables but I think a lot of it was just kind of reading right I read all sorts of books that existed and like I'm talking sometimes I was reading like 1800s agricultural like Wow.

Yeah, so it was a pretty deep dive.

Can you speak a bit to what's happening there post 1950s onward? That was definitely

But I'm wondering if you could tell me about how you developed the idea for this book, how you would kind of explain it to somebody who's picking it up for the first time.

Yeah, so how this book came about is, in all honesty, like, probably not something I should share publicly but because it was just so like nobody should get to write a book with that kind of like process but basically um I remember I was like it was winter of probably very early 2024 Um, and I was like in the parking lot of Brighton, which is a local Salt Lake city, beloved ski mountain, you know, like getting my snowboard ready, whatever, to go up on the mountain.

I was kind of like, you know, taking a little day off and I was just checking my messages.

I had, um, one for my really good friend, Adriana, Adriana Picker, who lives in Sydney, but we actually met, um, working out of the same coworking space in New York city.

before she moved home during the pandemic.

And, you know, we're good friends.

So the message chain is unhinged.

And I'm curious, like your perspective on like how you think human impact has both like gained and lost the vegetables that are kind of prevalent in our world.