Um, can I sort of start by asking, like, what first pulled you into wingsuiting and sort of when did the performance flying bit come in? Um, you know, what sort of captured your mind with that side of things?

Well, I came into skydiving from a background in paragliding and speed flying.

So back when I lived in the UK actually during grad school, e- every year I used to spend several months in the French Alps mostly doing cross-country paragliding flights, uh, during physics conferences and summer schools in Chamonix.

Um, and then I moved to Chicago in twen- in 2012 and found myself looking for a new hobby, um, and landed on skydiving.

And so from the beginning, I...

the goal was to fly rather than fall, and first it was crew up until I got to 200 jump, jumps.

I was doing a lot of canopy relative work, and then I realized I want to fly my body rather than a, a, a parafoil.

Um, you know, from data visuli- vis- visualization to in-flight feedback tools, where did sort of that idea sort of start?