You've made this point very often, so

we'd love to hear that.

You are at a moment where a new development model is being established in a world which obviously is in flux.

Now that new development model, it's not coming because the old development model has not been successful.

It's coming because the world has changed.

But maybe looking back a bit, the evolution, let's say over the last decades, of what we have achieved.

And when I say we, it's not only the United Nations, it's broader than that.

So there's longer-term implications here as well.

And the Taliban did not interfere.

No.

Well, they're actually a partner in this because there was a problem of drug production in Afghanistan.

There was also a huge problem of drug usage in Afghanistan.

So they're actually a partner of what we do.

This is one thing which has worked.

You mentioned women's rights and rights of girls.

How do you navigate all of that in what is still, I'll remind everyone, an active conflict zone where many Palestinians have died this year, even after the ceasefire?

Our correspondent Angela Schuggens spoke with the former Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo, who's now with the UN Development Program.

Stopping the war would, from our perspective, be the thing we look forward to.

Uh, of course, what is a just way of stopping the war? That is a political discussion.

The UNDP is not involved in, uh, in, in that.

But of course, uh, war is development in reverse, and, and the human misery and the level of destruction in, uh, in, in, in Ukraine is, um, is something which w- which we deplore, and the, the huge human cost.

I mean, there's every month 40,000 people are dying and on the Russian and on the Ukraine and, uh, Ukrainian side.

The earlier it stops, the earlier we can bring human progress, uh, again.

The European Commission wants to prioritize competitiveness and defense as part of this pitch, but does that mean that funding for aid, uh, will go under the hammer? Is there a clear winner and loser?