Wait, what?

Well, you know, it's like for so much of my life, I would just be like, nope, like fuck.

dig deep or like you know i'm gonna go to the gym or i'm gonna go use a substance and drink and escape and think that that's how to deal with it and honestly a lot of conditioning in men is for that and this was the first time where i was like i'm gonna be sad Like I cried, like I like learned what the word weeping was.

And I'm like, cause I was just like sitting in my car one day and I'm like doing this and I'm like, this is weeping.

Oh, that's what that word means.

And it was really good because it felt like there was a little bit of freedom on the other end of, Oh man, I can be really sad and I'm still here, you know? And I think for guys, we just reject that feeling so much.

But there was one night in November where I remember, actually, it wasn't a night.

And I'm, I'm so

How has it influenced you in your work these last seven, six, seven years? How has it shaped your, your path, your path?

Yeah, I think just a deeper understanding of all of our humanity, and just that, you know, we show up and we're doing different things, we're performing a job.

Or you see someone at a restaurant or the grocery store, and there's just this entire ocean of what they might be going through.

Um, and yeah, I, I, I think also just the, the wide unfortunate touch of cancer in our society and how prevalent it is.

Um, and, and I, I, I think just how many people are going through it.

Um, and so it's been beautiful.

I think my mom has honestly been more inspiring than, uh, I'm a motivational speaker, I think my mom's been more motivating to people than, uh, [laughs] than, than what I share.

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