did you have the choice in planning what they would eat?

Yeah, we would do all the different planning.

I mean, it was a mega...

You learn a lot at the time.

You think, oh, why am I doing this? But actually, you do learn from things like that.

And then from that, then I went into the main kitchen.

So I did butchery, and then I did fish, and then I did afternoon tea sandwiches, and then did pastry, and then actually ended up at the end, they had the restaurant called Casper's, which now Gordon Ramsay has.

You know, I

And so you've had quite an amazing career in sport as well, haven't you? Would you say that's played quite a big part in some of your values and methodology today?

Yes, absolutely.

I am a true believer.

And I was reading an article the other week around women who have been in sport and definitely in team sport have so many of the capabilities and the characteristics to become a great leader because they understand that.

the team collective, the different perspectives, the different needs, the sort of a team mentality of it.

And I started out as a PE teacher.

So that was my sort of first role once I left uni.

feeling of um or just just that great experience with them that it changes how you see things and how you want to go forward and again really interesting how you say about your um recognizing your strengths and how you use that in your work today as well don't you in terms of understanding people's strengths and how that's really key for people being good leaders