Still is,

yeah.

Right, still is.

They're the ones still standing.

They're the ones that get the respect in the business and blah, blah, blah.

But when I started, there was beef with three different owners.

Bud Freeman, the owner of the improv.

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Explain to listeners some of the things that you have to think about there, because I imagine that there must be an extraordinary amount of work that, again, that we don't really consider when we see the outcome of what you've produced.

Yeah.

I think the origins of stadium design, and I've seen this over my kind of fifteen years doing this, what we consider stadium architecture is really evolving.

So the basic principles of getting people to and from the venue, getting them in safely, making sure everybody can see the field and all of those hundred thousand at AT&T will have a great view of the pitch, I assure you.

So those, I would say are the kind of minimum requirements that any competent sports architect should be bringing to the project.

Where it's become interesting in the last five to ten years is when we start to kind of expand our area of interest and think about, okay, we can definitely get people in safely.

They're gonna have a fun time, and then they're gonna leave safely.

And again, is that when you're thinking about safety, comfort, but atmosphere at the same time? You still want the thrill and you don't want it to feel like a crash, that you have to design for someone who's, like, knee height getting through a turnstile, as well as somebody who's, like, six foot whatever.

Yeah, me too.

You understand? But my point is I love what Michael Vick is doing.

I love what Deshaun Jackson's doing.

I love what Mike Tomlin did.

Amen.

I'm, as you can see, extra Black-Pro-Black, believe in Black, Black, and anything that's got to do with our culture.

Anytime I see a brother move forward, and I know now there's a kid looking up to him to go, "You know what? I'll possibly be a coach one day." And guess what? I've heard through the grapevine, and this is all sports, but all Black athletes, I've always heard that players look at guys that made it to the highest level differently than some, I gotta say it, some white guy that's talking to me about this sport and he ain't never been between the lines.

He s-

You and Jamie Foxx, y'all had a fallout after you left the show, right?

The Jamie Foxx Show, when I tell you it was one of the greatest times of my life, it was...

It didn't even feel like I was going to work every day.

Felt like I was pulling up to a comedy club or a comedy show and, and got paid to do what I love to do.

And because of my relationships, it's like when I got casted to be on the show, it was like coming home, 'cause I knew everybody already.

I knew Jamie's managers.

I knew the executive producer of the show.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, um, you was a warm-up comedian for the Moesha show?