Sure.

Uh, but you know, it was also just the galvanizing of all these interesting voices and, you know, we did some really interesting stuff.

You know, we had a program where we had young kids write articles for us, and they were mentored by journalists, and then that, those, some of those articles got discussed in parliament.

We had, you know, some of, you know, some really big pieces that had, you know, caused the site to crash.

So for example, when Julian Burnside wrote for us, and there's a couple of really big pieces that we did that caused the website to crash.

I mean, it was a lot of fun and it was a real journey and, um, you know, it w- it was very much a passion project at the time, but also very much figuring it out because I didn't come from the industry.

Yeah.

And so it was a very difficult 18 months for me.