So can you talk through the stages of that journey? Say years one to five, what happened? When did you start recruiting? Who did you start recruiting? Any potential kind of mistakes that you put in? that you made in

hindsight that you could pass on to people listening? Sure.

So I think I did one or two years basically on my own.

Steph, my wife, was helping me a bit.

And I probably got up to around a couple hundred grand turnover, something like that.

And then I did hire, firstly, a trainee.

So younger, I forget, she might have been doing AAT or something, but basically I made a mistake.

So what else would you say that you have implemented to get this, you know, to build this remote team to perhaps, you know, how do you ensure that the connections between your team members are there? How do you build that culture that everyone is, you know, has the same core values, et cetera, that they are working on?