Is that correct, or is it not one size fit all? What do we see?

So where it's a nation state threat actor that wants to pre-position to, uh, have a kinetic effect later, yeah, they'll, they'll hide and, and they'll try to remain undetected for absolutely as long as they can.

But cyber criminals- Criminals want money, and money requires, you know, hitting people where it hurts and, and causing a big bang and getting their attention, and that's what ransomware does.

So when you get ransomware, that locks up all your computers, it holds them hostage, and every computer really has a, a screen, a splash screen on it that says, "You've been ransomed.

Pay us millions of dollars.

Here's our Bitcoin address." And so ransomware groups are really going after any target, regardless of whether they're industrial or, or not.

But we have seen ransomware groups using IoT devices to actually launch their ransomware.

How do you see it changing this fight on both the attacker and the defender side?

Is that correct, or is it not one size fit all? What do we see?

So where it's a nation-state threat actor that wants to pre-position to, uh, have a kinetic effect later, yeah, they'll, they'll hide, and, and they'll try to remain undetected for absolutely as long as they can.

But cyber criminals- Criminals want money, and money requires, you know, hitting people where it hurts and, and causing a big bang and getting their attention, and that's what ransomware does.

So when you get ransomware that locks up all your computers, it holds them hostage, and every computer really has a, a screen, a splash screen on it that says, "You've been ransomed.

Pay us millions of dollars.

Here's our Bitcoin address." And so ransomware groups are really going after any target, regardless of whether they're industrial or, or not.

But we have seen ransomware groups using IoT devices to actually launch their ransomware.

How do you see it changing this fight on both the attacker and the defender side?