Magics, like, got that perfect, like, balance, I think.

Oh, they have, yeah.

You know.

And their stuff is usually actually really good.

I mean, it's very rare that...

I think because, yeah, Penguin have got more control over what's actually a Penguin product, haven't they? Yeah.

I suppose, like, Murphy's own product is different to that wholesale thing.

yeah the card tricks is that it's just you pick a card i'm gonna do a different way to show you what it is like and that's just yeah

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

No, I was gonna say the thing I've... 'cause I've seen it on a few of the chats and whatever, people, you know, talk about, oh, this like various bits, and that you have to remind them and say, "No, we had a stadium plan.

We had this.

We did this thing." Just none of it was listened to in any capacity.

And I think that is important.

Like you say, we weren't just complaining.

[laughing]

Mm-hmm.

Right? Like, and, and just getting some prompts, some guides.

And so if you, if you ever find yourself in that space, or if that's not something you've ever explored before, like, uh, you know, I hadn't ever figured out how to talk to my kids about faith or whatever, maybe it feels new to you to talk about it out loud or, well, those sort of things, like, those kinds of, uh, resources can be super helpful for parents, grandparents, in- invested adults to be able to come alongside a kid and say, "Hey, what are you learning? And how can we talk about it?" And, and, and, you know, it, it's, like, for so many of us, being able to talk about it helps it to kind of be even more integrated for the kids-

Mm-hmm.

So, um, so hey, uh, uh, as we wrap up, uh, any, any, any closing words here, uh, for us? But so well, actually I wanna say, as we've already said, this podcast is for everyone.

So the closing word is like and subscribe and share.

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